Posts by Cappuccino OC

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Can we still be friends, if I disagree with you?

by Mulan in

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let's talk about this.. i have lots of friends on this board.

so..........can we still be friends, if i disagree with you?

How does the WTS define "former member"

by Cappuccino OC in

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the wts claims on their web site that they do not shun "former members".

it would be interesting to know exactly how they define "former members".

does anybody else sense that the wts is playing with the lexicon, meaning, of words.

Cappuccino OC

"Those who simply leave the faith are not shunned."

Thanks for the update Undisfellowshiped. This is also a play with words. It depends on how the society defines "simply leave". They don't clarify by saying

"those who no longer believe in the faithful & discreet slave,
those who no longer abide by the WTS's rules,
those who do research on WTS's failed prophecies."

Truman mentioned it's "Clintonesque" in style; it's very evasive. It's also left open for interpretation.

TTBOY I don't argue. Yes there are some examples of those who drift but they are in the minority. As long as your "actions" (partying, going to churches, being involved in politics, etc.) are not seen or heard of your okay; but if they see you as "brining reproach on jjeehhoovvaahh'ss name or the BORG then a "kangaroo" court will be setup.

You mention "give them a reason to DF you". Our actions should NOT be judged by the WTS. Why should we HIDE from them? Who are they to CONTROL our lifes? By "never gifing them a reason to DF you" means giving them POWER over your life. Letting them govern your life style and actions and or living in fear because you'll be seen for example taking your child to the neighbor's b-day party or going trick-or treating. This isn't psychologically healthy for anyone.

The WTS uses overt (WTS hunting you down) and covert styles. Covert is more or less when your JW families gives you the "SILENT TREATMENT" per mommy's orders. Covert or overt there is shunning in some degree.

Other religions employ shunning; yet, the vast majority lets you walk away - no strings attached.

Capp OC

Edited by - Cappuccino OC on 6 October 2002 9:11:24

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How does the WTS define "former member"

by Cappuccino OC in

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friends

the wts claims on their web site that they do not shun "former members".

it would be interesting to know exactly how they define "former members".

does anybody else sense that the wts is playing with the lexicon, meaning, of words.

Cappuccino OC

The WTS claims on their web site that they do not shun "former members". It would be interesting to know exactly how they define "former members".

Does anybody else sense that the WTS is playing with the lexicon, meaning, of words.

For example, does former member mean DF, DA, or just not attending? If not attending, after how many months or years are inactive JW's classified as former?

Do they define inactive and former the same or different? By reading their literature, if your DF or DA you are shunned.

The WTS could have stated "We do not shun DF, DA or former members," but instead they write "Vague."

The WTS has become very proficient using word games to play with our minds. In this case they don't use DF or DA, because any potential converts would not agree and/or join.

This also reminds me of "theocratic warfare." In this case, they don't define former. They print only half of their own "trvth."

Capp OC

Edited to correct typo. It's past my bedtime. zzzzzzzzzz

Edited by - Cappuccino OC on 6 October 2002 2:0:47

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I got a report on the March!!

by Mulan in

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a friend at the march, just called me to tell me how the march is going.

it's not raining and hasn't rained!!

nearly 3 hours into it, and it is still going.

Cappuccino OC

Thank you Mulan for the information,

Erica is so so so brave.

So JARACZ has skeletons is his CLOSET? Why do I believe that? It makes perfect sense!

I wish I could've been there.

Capp

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Very Bad News Re: Post Yesterday

by Celtic in

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i'm not sure how to put this news gently to the community here, but regarding my post yesterday regarding chantelle.. thankyou for all of your kind messages and warmth displayed on your parts.. chantelle was only 16 when disfellowshipped.

only 18 years old with her whole life in front of her.

she took her own life this morning at 0400hrs.. i am so sorry not to have been in a better position to get your letters to her in time.. take care all of you & kindest regards.

Cappuccino OC

I'm so sorry.

Capp

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bad news

by larc in

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last night, my wife zazu, had a stroke.

she is in the hospital, and will be there for a least a week.

she can still think clearly and converse.

Cappuccino OC

Larc,

I'm so sorry. Hang in there. Zazu will need your emotional support getting through this rough period.

Let me know if you need some information on Speech (inteligibility)Therapy Journals or tips (free). By your e-mail I can tell that her receptive and expressive Language is okay.

I work with patients who have speech or language (or both) pathologies. Her speech should also be evaluated by a Certified Speech Language Pathologist. (my field)

Capp

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Losing their best--Getting rid of good elders

by VeniceIT in

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in january of this year, a prominent elder resigned because he was criticized for continuing to talk to an inactive couple, who had been very close friends.

this couple are being gossiped about, as being apostates, although no action has been taken, and no announcement.

he didn't like the scrutiny on himself and his wife, and thought they were wrong to talk to him about this issue, so he resigned.

Cappuccino OC

Hi Venice,

The story sounds very familiar to me. I really feel bad for both of them. Let's be confident that he will start "wondering" why they are doing this to him & maybe he start looking for the REAL information on the TRVTH.

I'm pretty sure they will have lots of questions for the couple that are their friends. I don't use apostate because it's the borg's term. The couple will help them through this bumpy period. Let's hope that their eyes will open about the BORG.

Capp

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